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Many such lines of evidence multiplying as at youngearth. On how to date a dinosaur, Real Science Radio's Bob Enyart interviews Hugh Miller, a member of the international scientific team that presented at the AGU geophysical conference in Singapore, the carbon dating results from five respected laboratories around the world of bones from ten dinosaurs from the Gobi Desert in China, from Europe, Alaska, Texas, and Montana. Yet each of these dinosaurs had plenty of radiocarbon as expected in that virtually every relevant peer-reviewed paper on the topic confirms the presence of endogenous soft tissue in fossils; see DinosaurSoftTissue. With the scientific breakthroughs and discoveries coming in daily, this is a great time to be alive! An expert on radiocarbon dating, long-time assistant professor at Loma Linda University, Dr. Paul Giem himself, graded the information presented below. You can hear that interview with Dr. He gave the original text available here a grade of A minus. Carbon 14 doesn't lie. Yet 14c is everywhere it shouldn't be. Unless from a secondary source, like contamination or neutron capture described below , anything millions of years old should have NO Carbon A secondary assumption by old-earth scientists proposes that the C in diamonds coal, etc. Theoretical physicist Lawrence Krauss emphasis on the theoretical told RSR that 14c in allegedly million-year-old specimens is an "anomaly. Because modern carbon exists in significant quantities, far above the reliability threshold of the AMS labs doing the tests, these results can no longer be called anomalies! It is now expected that organic specimens supposedly millions of years old will yield maximum C ages of only thousands of years! Unexpected C14 is found in specimens worldwide, yet 14c production in the ground as compared to in the atmosphere requires a lot of nearby radioactivity to produce appreciable amounts of 14c by neutron capture. However, terrestrial radioactivity is concentrated, with the vast majority of it occurring in the continental crust. Radioactivity is relatively scarce even in the continental crust, at least as documented by this U. Presented at the AGU Singapore conference, there was less than 20 parts per million of uranium and thorium in the dinosaur bones that contained large quantities of modern carbon, so much that it registered mid-range in the AMS accelerator mass spectrometry capabilities. In a meeting with RSR, a geologist with a degree from Colorado's School of Mines who has a background in nuclear physics who also spent years bombarding various elements with neutrons to make isotopes for industry told RSR that Carbon does not easily absorb neutrons because it is the heavier elements beginning with Sodium that readily capture neutrons. Further, while it is relatively unlikely that a Carbon atom will capture a free neutron, industrial processes use Carbon to slow down neutrons, whereas they use heavier elements, typically starting with Silicon, which is almost double the atomic weight of Carbon, for neutron capture. Creating 14c from Nitrogen, then, has essentially the same problem, because Carbon and Nitrogen are neighbors on the periodic table. Paul Giem writes that, "since nitrogen creates carbon from neutrons , times more easily than does carbon," samples with even tiny amounts of nitrogen would dramatically increase carbon dates, such that, "If neutron capture is a significant source of carbon in a given sample, radiocarbon dates should vary wildly with the nitrogen content of the sample. Recognizing that crustal radioactivity is generally relatively scare as documented in this U. S report for coal, basalt, shales, granite, fly ash, etc. Jonathan Sarfati builds upon Dr. Giem's research arguing that neutron capture could account for less than one 10,th of the C in diamonds see these peer-reviewed calculations. Therefore, there would have to be thousands of times more uranium, thorium, etc. Both mathematical analysis of the data, and the nature of some of the specimens, indicate that contamination does not solve the radiocarbon problem for old-earth geologists. While dinosaur bones, coal, and other specimens could easily be contaminated, diamonds, the hardest naturally occurring substance in the world are naturally resistant to contamination. Thus, when significant quantities of 14c are found, for example, in coal and dinosaur bones, as well as in diamonds, the least contamination-resistant 14c-rich specimens provide a constraint on the likelihood of contamination as a primary source for the modern carbon in other similarly-dated specimens. Thus the radiocarbon content of diamonds is all the more compelling and important, and especially when the specimens are mined from a quarter-of-a-mile below the surface, insulated from our 14c-bearing atmosphere. Contamination is not only far more unlikely within deep-mined and unbroken diamonds, but because of the unique physical composition of diamonds, various kinds of contamination could be more readily detectable. Just as forensic accountants can often determine when a criminal business has cooked its books merely by doing a Benford statistical analysis of the numbers, so too mathematicians have demonstrated that statistical analysis can indicate whether scientific data is likely a result of measurement errors. So evolutionists typically claim that all this 14c results from contamination, but statistical analysis indicates that when plotting erroneous dates as from contamination , the data should fit a normal curve. However, it does not. Regarding the results from the ten dinosaurs dated as above , of course, bacteria do not make collagen. And if the 14c came from contamination, for example, one would not expect the contamination to so equally affect the bioapatite and the collagen. The above paper indicates that where sampled, the ground area has decreasing 14c with distance from the dinosaur bone, indicating that modern carbon is leaching out of the bone which is not problematic , but, most significantly, not seeping into the bone. Dinosaur bone showing 5pmc means that five percent of the carbon in the bone needs to be replaced with modern carbon, which high level of contamination would very possibly be detectable. Dinosaur bone showing 5pmc means that, because the 14c half-life is so brief, 5, years, if the radiocarbon is from contamination that occurred 6, years ago, a full five percent, i. See below, 42 minutes into Paul Giem's presentation. Thus, where researchers find both soft tissue and 14c, especially in small bones as with the mosasaur , the claim that the biological tissue is dinosaurian and is not contamination works exactly against the claim that the 14c is from contamination. The inventor of the radiocarbon dating method, Dr. Walter Libby, stated in the journal Science, "There is no known natural mechanism by which collagen may be altered to yield a false age. Here's our RSR explanation of why this is. Because new carbon atoms will not replace original carbon atoms in the collagen molecule. As a result of decomposition, to the extent that original carbon atoms were falling out of the tissue so to speak , then to that extent you would no longer have collagen; rather, to that extent you would have humic acid. Decomposing collagen cannot be "repaired" by free carbon atoms happening upon the decomposition. Rather, the collagen must be manufactured within a living animal with its constituent carbon atoms into a " super-super-coil In addition to work already done documenting appreciable 14c levels even in contamination-resistant specimens, we recommend a few experiments including a couple proposed by RSR friend David Willis: The young earth model predicts the finding of significant quantities of carbon 14 throughout the bone. The evolutionary model would predict no modern carbon in such a bone, but as a secondary assumption, if 14c is found, since any contaminating material would have to pass through the outer layers of the bone to get into the center, the contamination explanation would expect to measure generally decreasing percentages of 14c from the outside to the center of each individual bone. A second experiment, beginning as above, would be to date a small diameter bone and a larger diameter bone from the same dinosaur. Getting the same dates would help rule out contamination because the smaller bone will have a larger surface to volume ratio which, if contamination were a significant factor, should result in higher percentages of modern carbon. A third experiment that could falsify contamination as a possible source of 14c involves: With the announcement that these reserves in Siberia contain diamonds that are "twice as hard as normal", these will be ideal for 14c dating because their natural hardness would further rule out contamination. Also, evolutionary geologists claim that these diamonds were already ancient when, allegedly 35 million years ago, a meteor impacted above them. The evolutionary model predicts no carbon dead 14c. The young earth model predicts significant quantities of 14c measurable throughout the diamond. A fourth experiment that could falsify contamination as a possible source of 14c involves radiocarbon dating of allegedly million-year-old amber, by selecting pristine specimens, the condition of which may also help to rule out contamination. At the 7th ICC Dr. Dating bones in situ, and dating their surrounding matrix, will elimate various sources of possible contamination and provide significant additional data. Published by RSR on Aug. Consider then, the fossil remains of organisms that had lived near the surface but that have been long buried in ocean sediments. If neutron capture were responsible for much of the unexpected 14c, then collectively, such ocean specimens, collectively, should have far less 14c than specimens excavated on the continents. Further, more analysis should be done on relevant specimens excavated from uranium mines , comparing their radiocarbon percentages to similar in type and estimated date specimens gathered away from uranium mines. Thus, marine deposit specimens and uranium mine specimens can function as control groups. Regardless though, for an uncontaminated specimen like diamonds, pure collagen, dinosaur soft tissue, etc. Out of every trillion Carbon atoms in the atmosphere, only about one is 14c. Further, significant unknowns, both in the rates of 14c production in the atmosphere, and in the Earth's enormous geologic upheaval in the past, could have altered the 1,,,,to-1 ratio. Henry Richter , the NASA scientist who launched our first satellite, oversaw development of the scientific equipment used on the first lunar missions, and who played an important role in the early discovery of the Van Allen radiation belt. By the way, Dr. Though it may be an extremely negligible source, of the various emissions from radioactive decay alpha particles, beta particles, etc. If you know of a web page where this is described, please email that link to Bob kgov. Also, as only widely recognized in , lightning can produce 14c. We have a young earth! Long-term, authoritative, and worldwide measurements show that the Earth's magnetic field is decaying rapidly as NASA's data shows is also true of Mercury. Our planet's more powerful magnetic field in the past better shielded Earth from cosmic rays, resulting in less Carbon production. This means that carbon ages of specimens from past millennia and even from only centuries ago need to be adjusted downward. So apart from adjustment for the exponentially decaying magnetic field, specimens are therefore younger than their radiocarbon age indicates. For, living with a stronger field, plants and animals absorbed less radiocarbon. So, in addition to the evidence for rapid radioactive decay at the time of the global flood, the Earth's decaying magnetic field means that specimens are generally younger than claimed by Carbon dating. This effect may be significant going back even only to the time of Christ, and might also be a factor in why 14c dating of the artifacts of the Pharaohs were not as helpful as had been hoped for in resolving debates in chronology among Egyptologists. RSR predicts that even allegedly million-year-old amber will show significant quantities of modern carbon. See more at RealScienceRadio. The scientific community has now faslified its own supernova theory for the origin of elements heavier than iron. And any suggestion, including the neutron star merger hypothesis, that proposes production of such elements in deep space is a non-starter and falsified by the solar system's non-uniform distribution of isotopes. Therefore, the last theory standing for the origin of radioactivity, and the one that explains the physical evidence and has extensive experimental support from laboratory science, is Walt Brown's creation-based Hydroplate Theory as described at rsr. As a former on-air guest rsr. In the HPT, what appears to be accelerated radioactive decay applies to elements in the crust and inside the subterranean water chamber beneath the firmament. So as a result of widespread misunderstanding of Earth's history, old-earth geologists contend with infamously contradictory million- and billion-year radiometric dates, whereas carbon dating is not subject to the same extreme physical forces that play havoc with other radiometric dating methods. Scientists have been surprised to find primarily left-handed i. Duane Gish, highly qualified to address the topic, points out that factors affecting a specimen, including variation in temperature and especially pH acidity vs. Merely giving the old-age assumption the benefit of the doubt, however, by assuming the lowest reasonable alkalinity and temperatures for the life of the specimen, retains amino acid racemization as a powerful tool for falsifying million and billion year dates, especially when combined with extant soft tissue and plentiful radiocarbon. For links to the on-air and written debates, round by round, see kgov. And click here for Bob's final round post! Steven Spielberg had famed paleontologist Jack Horner on the set as a technical advisor during the filming of all three Jurassic Park blockbuster movies.
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